All it would have taken from Em, was to respond along the lines of 'I don't condone that either'. But instead she excused it. Fix your care mate. The whole thing has been derailed by discussing why this thread is problematic or whatever the fuck. We all know Em would excuse Taylor any time. I don't think Taylor and Brian are on the same level of shit but it's no doubt that walking with a snake around you for 3 hours should deserve a call-out.
When TND sinks and that is a when not an if , she'll be there with 'content' to gather the masses because she was nice to TND. I'd honestly respect Em a lot more if she'd start actually denouncing the shit Taylor does. Not just throwing subtle shade on twitter or whatever. Doing so only makes her look two faced and uncaring about said animals. Maybe if they all did it, the community would be better. I mentioned this on the taylor thread but no one seems interested, but she drove 18 hours with her animals to vidcon, kept them in cat carriers in her hotel room, and took her ball python to a party and placed it on drunk youtubers.
So shes just as bad, what's really irritating is the double stardards Emzotic has with this situation, but apparently its okay for Taylor to do this because taylor is 'young'. Em's put up a new video. She also mentions someone being very upset about her feeding her eggs to the Tegu but defends the practice. She doesn't want to breed him. Overall this video was much better.
I'm glad she seems to be listening to the comments here; it seems very clear she reads this thread as half of her video is very directed to a lot of the stuff anon's have been saying. Also very glad her doves and Grinchy are finally getting appropriate enclosures. The only thing I can think to say about them is that I hope she builds an 'indoor' aka sheltered area on the doves aviary so they can stay out and don't have to always be brought back inside.
I'm also glad she's thoroughly animal proofing it. Was anyone else a little confused by her story vs Danny's story about getting the skunk? Danny said that the skunk had been with the pet store for about months and they don't know much about the owner. But then Emz says the previous owner entrusted the skunk to them through the pet store. And if so, why did it take them months to adopt it from the pet shop? I've adopted pets from pet stores before; usually they have little adoption corners run by a NFP including pets brought back to the store for behavioural issues, or older animals that no longer have a home etc etc.
However if it's anything like my experience; the pet store probably told them about the previous owner to which they had little to no contact and they had to actively look for the animal to adopt. From the sounds of it, they weren't just given this animal any more than anyone who goes to a dog shelter and adopts a dog isn't given one. It's a bit like with Grinchy… she saw him in a pet store and 'rescued him'. I honestly think the best plan for him might be to find someone else already keeping a hornbill, rather than buy another different species to keep him company.
She also mentions getting a dog again this video. I really hope she doesn't… she has a lot of time consuming pets, she didn't need a Skunk, she certainly doesn't need a dog. Honestly I've got my fingers crossed the doves don't breed either… she doesn't need 3 birds. If there's an issue with working them, work them less… they're animals, pets you care about. If your business involves them, then that might just have to involve saying 'no' to events too if you're fully booked. If you can adequately care for 50 animals, I say fine. Otherwise it becomes a finer pointing competition of who actually needs an animal.
None of us do. I bet there are people who would say even 1 animal is cruel and unnecessary - even dogs and cats. She already has so many incompatible animals sharing the same space ex the hornbill and kookaburra, the ferrets and doves. She does not have the space, let alone time, to raise and train a puppy. A puppet deserves more than that, and her current animals deserve more than what they have. If even Danny is putting his foot down on the puppy, you know its a bad idea.
If you can't say no to work, then you shouldn't be working with animals in the first place. The fact she doesn't work her doves more than 2 times a week is good. As far as the dog goes; they have a lot of animals that need attention, that need care. I used to own a dog, dogs take up a lot of your time. Reptiles and inverts might not need human time so much although good keepers will still give them it ; but they have 2 chinchillas, 2 ferrets, 1 skunk, 1 hornbill, 2 doves, a kookaburra etc. There are not enough hours in the day to be able to ethically get a dog in her position.
Unless you're keeping inverts, an ant colony or something; 50 pets is too many for people. You end up with people keeping snakes in tiny tubs or animals that are untrained and wary of human interaction at those numbers. No one here is saying 1 animal is cruel… this isn't PETA, this forum is filled with a lot of common sense in regards to numbers folks keep. Whichever way you look at it, she's playing a dangerous game, nothing could be worse than adopting a dog that is anxious around your other animals and having to possibly return them. There is also some speculation that she could be pregnant so there may be that to consider also.
The first thing that made me think this was reminiscing about her miscarriage, which most women probably do but I imagine finding out you're pregnant again will bring it all to the surface again. She also said to Tyler on twitter that she was going to be at the gynaecologist in London at the time of the pet youtuber meet up, I guess health care is free in the UK so she would have the baby there instead of the US.
Also there was a snapchat of her at playlist and a certain angle she looked like she was showing - but i won't judge just on that lol. There were some lose wires too. I hope she removed the body and realized it was dead. Also no uv, no water and no greens. Just dry dog food. Maybe BHB thinks they have more live animals than they actually have! That one talks about Taylor's weight a lot. She picks out that people think shes fat because people are wondering if shes pregnant, but completely breezing over the fact that everyones disappointed with her doubles standards of saying taylor can make mistakes because shes young.
Then share it here. Has anyone heard of rawwfishing or paul cuffaro? Both are shit but I think rawfishing is worse. He has a pond with bass and koi. He has another video where he scoops up a bunch of tadpoles and relocates them to "save" them while fucking up the natural habitat. Both of them are horrible at caring for their pets. They don't cycle have small tanks etc. I'm surprised they haven't been talked about before. His fans are even worse. They're on a logan paul type level of defensive.
They should be talked about more. This vid is just…. Wake the F up. And then he throws them somewhere with a shit ton of moving water, when they're supposed to be in relatively stagnant water.
And he shoved his hand on them, kept them in a tiny bucket, and generally disturbed the shit out of them. He sounds retarded for most of the video. This actually makes me angry. A good percentage of tadpoles are supposed to die, thats why there is so many at once. Has this guy never watched National Geographic?
He's just wanking himself off to the idea of "saving baby frogs" while actually doing something really fucking stupid. I see nothing wrong with someone mentioning she wants a baby. So maybe stay away from that area. And we don't make jokes about them "desperately wanting a human baby". Seriously just stay away from the baby thing, that's probably quite sensitive for her considering her past issues with carrying a child to term. This makes me so happy. I love that she's setting a better standard. I have been really harsh on her before on here rightfully so, I believe.
This is such a step in the right direction. I know she is concerned with safety, but there are ways to prevent any danger. And the space will be well worth it. Normally this thread bums me out, thinking about all the poor animals getting mistreated. But now I'm in a better mood thinking of the space her birds will have.
The doves and Grinchy will be separated, right? She did mention keeping them together as they'd 'get on', but settled on separate as the doves would eat Grinchy's food and get sick. Honestly I don't care about the reasoning as long as they are kept separate and have decent housing. From the looks of it, it won't be as big as the image you linked maybe not even quite half the size; but it will be an improvement for sure…. Anons that are new and don't know how to sage B. Anons that complain about mild comments on a pettubers looks aka trying to infight or make a big deal of nothing C.
Anons that then go on to say far more offensive stuff miscarriage stuff that really is going too far. People can of course say whatever the fuck they want; but the above makes me think the little pettuber private chat has come here to make this place 'look bad'. No one is joking about pregnancy. Em brought it up herself with her miscarriage post; that makes it fair game. And she so desperately wants a baby. Learn to read AND comprehend. Connected or not, idk if I would trust something with teeth near wires. It seems like a lot of the items in the closet should have been moved as soon as Pumpkin made it her favourite place.
Someone then mentioned that she had a miscarriage in the past and the reasons this could explain her slight meltdown on Twitter etc ect. No one said anything rude, if anything I hope she is able to have her own kids but she does have to consider the well being of her pets. Even if not all of us have had kids, we can probably understand that a human child that wakes up and cries in the night or day will require a lot of work and cause a lot of stress.
Bringing in a dog at that time could be a very bad idea, especially if it's a rescue with potential behavioural problems that have not been seen by the shelter. This forum is for animal husbandry and such, not speculating about a pregnancy that may or may not exist for someone who has miscarried their babies before. That's just a little harsh to be talking about. And has no milk, no relevance, and is just plain off topic. Type "sage" in the name and email boxes instead of leaving them blank so the forum doesn't keep getting bumped without new topics being discussed.
Second, talked no about the fact that Emzotic is wanting a baby totally goes to her husbandry…. No one is joking about pregnancy or miscarriages. What is being said is that they have more than enough animals to care for before adding a dog that requires lots of attention or potentially a baby.
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Did she move grinchies enclosure in the ferret room? We could hear him and she talked to him in the video. What bothers me about her videos is how little we always see. It's usually the youtubers that show the least that have the worst to hide. On the other hand look at Jennie from solid gold. Her life is still private but we saw the living room, kitchen, the old office, the fishroom, the yard.. Everything seems nice and fairly neat.. It's that bit of transparency that makes me trust a youtuber more. If you want to be private, dont become a public figure. In this case, with the crazy amount of pets she has we all know that a lot of time would be lost or fall on Danny.
With one person you're going to have a lot more work load to do and not enough time. I'm from her neck of the woods in NJ and there's a place called The Raptor Trust really close by that i'm sure would take him in. Someone called him out…he said TND fixes her mistakes …lol. Also the anonymous argument doesn't even count anymore because how many of us have made throw away accounts to bypass blocks to call out TND? Fuck how many of us are still tweeting the deans and dealing with their stans to try and get shit done? It doesn't even have to be Taylor, I don't really watch the pet tube community anymore but I have a felling youtube comments have their fair share of call outs per channel.
I have no hope for this community, it's like I'm watching a high school drama were girls are just going back and forward with vague insults cause all of them are actually to fucking scared to confront anyone. If any of them happen to tab into this thread. Grow a fucking spine. You have 11 threads worth of proof Taylor has and still is doing bad shit, you also have currently 2 threads worth of other pet tuber stuff.
No animal lover I know would go around joking about potential neglect cases like that at all. I mean yeah they could, but that would be self-sabotage for their own channel. So it's smart of Em not to speak out against Taylor at this point, she would be kinda stupid if she did and killed her own channel this way. If you're gonna be a fake friend, at least do it to the fullest. Since I am a really tiny channel the amount of fans that flocked to my video was overwhelming, hence the amount of dislikes and comments.
The amount of likes and dislikes is almost exactly the same now. Nothing is going to change if everyone stays silent. Youtube is an unstable source of income. So for those of you that are worried about your channel taking a hit, chill. People will forget about it soon enough but the more people there are speaking up about this, the more people will be deterred from becoming a fan in the first place.
But a lot of what I saw was reaching. We're all trash for talking and nitpicking in cases but at least we are calling out bad husbandry and mistakes that should be fucking fixed and not joked about. I had hope for Em to be that person to step in and be like ''Nah Taylor m8 you need to stop'' but clearly she isn't going to do that at all and is as immature as the rest of them.
I petition we all start linking hooktube videos rather than watching their actual videos. Won't do shit on a big scale but I'm up for it. I'm taking a leap of faith on this since I'm not sure if ants can be considered pets. But AntsCanada whom I'm usually a pretty big fan of did something really fucking dumb this time. Basically he has one ant enclosure with semi-aquatic ants, and he put a crayfish in there to keep population down so the population doesn't just keep rising. But then, for seemingly no reason at all he even admits he researched and found they were solitary creatures , he gets another crayfish and tries to breed them.
All of this could have been avoided by a quick google search. Once he started making mixed enclosures not sure what they're called I sort of didn't feel right. It's sad to see people are defending him though, especially after he came out to say he wasn't 'scripting' or fabricating anything but here we are…. TBH though her getting annoyed that someone called one of Danny's kids fat isn't really milky.
Kids do mean shit like that to each other all the time. Can't imagine it was a water jar. He also once said he lets his anacondas free roam and keeps them in quite small enclosures in my opinion. Snake keepers try to push the narrative that they can live in small enclosures but it's really just so they can keep more for cheap. Before the restaurant he went to a reptile store with the leeches on his hand. Definitely loves the attention despite the fact where he likes to say he "left the reptile community".
The thumbnail was clickbait. She found her dragon. Maybe its just her voice. The click bait is bs and I wish all these youtubers would just stop. She may have found her beardie faster if she wasnt filming and combed every area. It was a horrific lesson in making sure the locks were tight. New video from Em. Says they had zero contact with owner, only through petstore who told them the story. Also pet store apparently asked them if they wanted to adopt the skunk first in line sort of thing. She doesn't talk about though how her skunk is de-scented and how that is a cruel practice. Something that would have been useful to mention as a.
In the US, some states require it. It's along the same lines as declawing a cat. Illegal in EU because it's cruel; required in the US by some landlords etc. But how is descenting a skunk cruel? I thought it was the same as descenting a ferret. It's cruel because it's an unnecessary operation that actually can lead to an animal being without it's natural defences if it ever needed them. Escaped cats need claws, like ferrets or skunks would their scent glands. In a home environment skunks should never be scared enough to spray.
There are also potential side effects from descenting; rectal prolapse is a major one. Here's the position of the American Ferret Association on descenting: But imho it's probably a bit more like debarking a dog. There are risks involved with the surgery and it's an unnecessary operation for human convenience, little more.
Will a debarked dog live an awful life? Probably not if it's care is otherwise good. Is it cruel and unnecessary? However; as she mentioned it was the law in her state. I can't blame her for descenting the skunk as it was certainly done far before she got her hands on it either by the original owner or the petshop to enable them to sell it.
I know she said she was going to mention it in her other pet care video… but honestly it might have been useful in this one too. It also you know might have been useful to never get the skunk and thus support such a cruel practice… but you know…. As for her not having a descented skunk in the UK.
Was that with her work? I know she had a ferret that obviously would have not been descented either. She works her animals two days a week, but that's still two days of stress on the animals one way or the other. I mean, give the girl a break. Her creature features are good. Her marketing potential is mega marketing is what I study and I see more good in her channel than bad.
Yes, husbandry opinions differ from country to country, but UK generally has some of the 'better' if not the 'best' animal welfare laws and outlooks. She was promoting wrong husbandry to people that watch her. You can't even defend that. She's said a lot of shady shit previously, and we haven't seen a lot of her animals. Yes, someone here defended that by saying that it's a work thing and it would be a bit like suicide to reveal it which I can agree with but at the same time, some of the shit she comes out with is concerning - keeping Bearded Dragon in a 'temporary' and 'dark' enclosure there's a thread discussing this somewhere , the whole breeding thing meaning we have no clue how many snakes they have and how they're bred.
We don't have to know everything but she's definitely not a saint as you view her to be. There is a big difference between having room to grow and promoting the wrong care. It's all in the beginning of the last thread if you want to check back. She would have never removed the video or apologized if not for everyone catching her in her lies about breeding them, calling out her misinformation on cycling literally the first step in fish keeping , and forcing an otto into solitary confinement from its own species.
We still don't know whatever happened to those fish, or if they are even alive. People can bitch that all this thread does is hate on pettubers, but now pettubers know they are being watched and standard of care is being set.
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If it wasn't for this site, Emzotic would probably still have that better video up. We also wouldn't have this recent influx of "upgrading my pets cage! She removed the video but was still preaching 'I know what I'm doing so I didn't explain every step, I was tots breeding them and bred betta before lol'. Chances are those fish aren't doing too well… even without the presence of another betta and the otto on its own, the amount of stress in that tank from; no cycle, high flow, no high resting places for betta etc.
It's anyone's guess as to if they're still alive. It can take a lot to kill a betta… The otto, I don't have much hope for. It seems like she never knows what's going on. You want be the better Taylor. So many of these poor animals have no business being kept as pets but since they bring in the YT views they're fucked. It's despicable what these animal "lovers" are doing.
Yes she apologized for that too but only because she slipped up and got it on camera, who knows what else we don't see that isn't being apologized for. Last update she gave about bonding them was that her rabbit who she adopted and was told that was fixed, turned out to not be fixed, so she went and got it done.
Of all the pet you tubers she has the most animals, has the worst attitude and has a service dog just for show. Plus the backyard breeding and recent puppy death. And on top of all this she's recently gotten some kind of sponsorship with an MMO because clearly she has time for a video game addiction on top of abusing all those animals. Happy Tails is so depressing in her care that many people actively avoid watching her.
If you have info though feel free to post it. Jesus christ, this girl has the personality of cardboard. Stop adding more animals that take time away from the bonding process. By adopting a third rabbit, it takes away space that the other rabbits could've had, thus reducing their quality of life. Shes a typical crappy pet youtuber that gets more animals at the jeopardy of her existing animals environment and lives.
Instead of bonding current pets, she keeps downgrading current enclosures to make room for new pets and enclosures. Bond the damn rabbits! A 4-hour session once a week is nothing but a waste of time. Man I hate this wanna-be bitch. This is NOT free roaming.
I think she has way too many animals and is part of the youtube subculture of glorifying hoarding that I fucking wish would die but on the other hand compared to the other hoarders here she has some more transparency to her, she does show all her enclosures and I don't think most are that bad. I hear the rabbits are in too small cages but she's planning to upgrade once they're bonded I guess.
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We know her dad is her landlord…perhaps they are wealthy and she still gets an allowance…because anyone working full time could NOT have enough time to look after that many animals and give them all the attention they require. Just the barest minimum, much like her enclosures. Unfortunately she already has so many animals and appears to still be interesting in getting more, which sucks because a lot of these animals have a long lifespan. At 18 I thought I was going to make a living in music lol but luckily none of the instruments and books I hoarded at that time had lifespans or care requirements to speak of.
Just dk how well she'll handle being stuck with so many long lived reptiles and mammals in 5 years when she might want to do something else, or in 10 years when her life takes a different turn. At her age you always think something you're interested in will last forever, but then sometimes reality happens and that's my biggest concern for her animals.
Is weird she never mentions a job when she just moved into a new place. You're in the public eye, people are bound to say shit. By having a ton of animals at a young age and living alone? I wonder if her job income alone could support her atm, we all know YouTube won't last forever. If so, thats not much time to be spending with the animals. It looks like shes trying too hard to show that she 'free roams her rabbits' by nightly, thats assuming she does this every night, however no one has the time to set up a pen like this in the middle of their living room every day.
She also claims to free roam her rabbits every day, as an excuse for keeping them in tiny bare minimum cages. However in her recent video 'training her rabbits' or whatever it was called, the rabbits were clearly uncomfortable, slipping all over the floor, and looked on edge all the time, not something you'd expect if they were being free roamed in that room all the time.
She also has loose wires everywhere, which if you bunny proofed a room in order to free roam them every day like they need, it wouldn't be that way. So i call bullshit on her free roaming them every day, in that room, and also no ones going to set a pen up like this for them everyday. Which is why I have such an issue with the size of her rabbit cages. I smell a rat. I bet other PetTubers are going to cast her out soon. No wellness check when she got them? And yes, Emma, you ARE lazy.
In around 4 hours a day. However that excludes things like meal prep having everyone on dried petstore nuggets instead , it excludes cage cleaning time which doesn't have to happen every day, but still should be taking place multiple times a week, and also importantly it excludes interaction time. Pets need time outside their cages, they need time to bond with their owner and to get some needed mental stimulation.
After her reaction to Emzotic's "pettube" video, it seems like she's rather disassociate with them all anyways. If someone is home all day people wonder how you afford your pets. If you work half the day, people wonder how you care for them. Believe it or not, people can do both.
MOST people do both actually. Well, less stressful than kids really. Not sure if its completely true but she mentioned in a video that she could still support all her animals without youtube money. She also started an online shop and she definitely exploits her animals! Almost 30 I think.
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A lot of the old school pet channels are going on or are already in their 30s. Look at the body language of her rabbits on the floor outside of their cages in her rabbit tricks video. They look curious and terrified because they're clearly not used to being on that floor. If they were truly out all of the time, they would be hopping around like nobody's business. Not sure if anyone else can notice this or not, but I picked up on it right away. Half her videos have under 5k views and about a dozen over And she lives alone according to her vids.
Her dad is her landlord tho. JPG i think someone mentioned her once before but this girl is annoying as fuck. Her photos only get likes. Yellow feet are normal. PNG she bought her rabbit one of those small two floor hutches and said it's twice as much room as he had before that. My friend has rabbits and the one with white feet never looks this bad. Maybe a very slight discoloration sometimes at most, but never this obviously filthy.
That's not normal and the extremely overgrown nails are also a sign of neglect. But with it's uneasiness, it seems unlikely. Also, if she'd just trim the poor things nails, it would slid a lot less on the flooring. At the very least she should put down a cheap rug or mat, even cardboard would be better for hi than the wood flooring. Does he not have any bedding in his hutch then either? The fact that he entirely stopped using his litterbox is a bad sign too.
And then, if the rabbit's self-cleaning doesn't work, there are literal cleaning wipes and other products for the owner to wipe the feet down as necessary. A tiny, tiny amount of staining is normal or unavoidable but here is no reason for her rabbit's feet to look that bad. PNG emma looks so much prettier without all the makeup. She has put on weight since then, her face shape is totally different. He seems to be doing a lot with them. Either way, i wish she would stop poking her lips out like that.
The fish lip look is doing her no favors. Hell TND's fucked up fillers look better than that fish mouth. It looks like she just dumped the calcium right in the food bowl. Way to show your viewers how to over supplement. Not like that can be just as harmful as not supplementing. And I am sorry, but I am not sold on the 'no need for any other product! Reptiles need a calcium and multivitamin regime, but not in the same amounts or frequency.
This is especially true when you're dealing with different reptiles, like a bearded dragon vs a leopard gecko. HappyTails makes it seem like they can be all lumped together. The sooner she goes to college the better. Not sure about Taylor though. Okay, I'm literally less than 2 minutes in, and Tyler has already said Michigan weather will mimic the weather in Mexico. You really think Michigan and Mexico have the same type of weather and temperatures? She just seems desperate for the attention.
I think the whole pet group skypes and tyler's in on it probably for maddie but who knows. Got them from a breeder, gave them to a sanctuary. Did she talk about it in a video or is the Instagram post all we got? Tylers super sarcastic to her also, the whole thing is just a big inside joke with all of them. They all do it to eachother, not just her. I wonder what made her decide they were too much iirc she planned to breed them herself when she got them.
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But bunny bonding is complex. Knowing whether your rabbit is intact or not does not determine how good your ownership is. Yes the cage is too small, and she should have assumed bonding would be simple. Sure its nice to be genuine and not repeat yourself but when you're rambling on about "wow i like ball pythons because they come in so many pretty colours, did you know ball pythons come in soooo many colours" its just crap. She only has the subscribers she has because shes 'friends' with tyler, which was a smart move on her behalf but she really needs to up her game.
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