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Showed him the license and registration. I know that i had done nothing wrong. I figured that he was just looking for an excuse to investigate.
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The car was not that exotic and i am not that weird looking. I treated it as an inconvience. Where is that written? All true, but in this case not what happened. Because they know gray-area situations are abused. That's why the police have to stop everyone - in cases where probable cause is not obvious. Hence the reason the officers resort to "I pulled you over because of tiny infraction XYZ.
It was a fishing expedition. I'm not a lawyer, so I can't quote you chapter and verse, but that doesn't mean it's OK. OK, let's start at the top: The Fourth Ammendment to the United States Constitution The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Pretty sure 'profiling' has been accepted law for a long time.
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I'm not a lawyer or up on current law, but that's what I'm led to believe. I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court has put limits on the 4th Amendment, unlike others. I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not sure if all are. There's little that can be done about this sort of thing, which is why it will continue. Only with massive amounts of data on traffic stops was it possible to prove racial profiling, which as everyone knows, had be going on for decades, and in may cases continues. Nice choice of words.
You are correct on the mootness of it all. SB still mostly stands. Stop and frisk is acceptable.
Yes, I was stopped earlier this year for the same thing. Apparently the state figured out the racks were obscuring the camera billing on their new toll road.
Had a not-so-productive conversation with the officer about it. His immediate objective was to get me to purchase a window-mounted pass so they could collect their two bits. He seemed somewhat apologetic for the stop and hesitant to discuss he wouldn't answer a direct question as to whether the rack was illegal. He just kept reiterating that police would not normally pull me. That didn't make me feel better, since he just had. I have a dislike of law enforcement and am not happy about providing them a free hassle-me pass. Jeff, since this is sure to raise the hackles of some folks here, let me just clarify for you: I'm sure you respect most of them, and acknowledge that they are doing a tough, tough job, which most of the time is done quite professionally, but some of the apples in the barrel are indeed spoiled, and act in an unfortunate, power-tripping manner when they stop you, so after dealing with them a few times it necessarily affects your opinion of the rest.
Out west we have the California Vehicle Code: Dave initially reported being stopped, advised of the problem, and sent along his way. Sounds about like policing I've experienced. Was the LEO respectful and friendly? Did it come across as a friendly reminder? Or did the LEO really act like he was having a bad day and just taking it out on you?
A lot depends on the context here. I got stopped by a local LEO several months ago for running a stop sign--on my bike while heading over to my friend's house for a ride. Was he a teddy bear? But he was respectful and reminded me that he had seen me do it and he could have given me a ticket, but just wanted to make sure I knew that all the laws also apply to bikes--which is true. And I did do it. I said I understood, and moved on. I've lived here 20 years and never been stopped for anything by a LEO during that time.
Did I like getting stopped?
But it's rarely productive to get into a "discussion" with a LEO. Especially when you really ARE in the wrong. So I figured this guy was doing his job in his own view and I moved on. Here in New York State anything that obscures your license plates is subject to a ticket. This includes those license plate frames that the car dealers install on your car.
On a recent trip to the UK I noticed that cars with a rack or small trailer all had a secondary plate attached to the rack or trailer. To initiate a vehicle stop, a LEO needs "reasonable suspicion" of criminal activity. The criminal code is chock full of criminal offenses related to the operation of a motor vehicle - both moving violations and equipment violations.
Once the LEO stops you and discovers you are violating some other law, DUI, driving with a suspended license, possessing illegal drugs, etc Perfectly legal for the LEO to do this. Different standards for different restrictions of liberty. Here in France it's no big deal at all. Just go to any business selling licence plates with the registration for the car and buy another plate and then attach that to the rack or the bikes.
Most of the bike racks that mount on trailer hitches that I've seen over here have a place for the plate plus a light plus brake, tail, and turn signal lights. Just plug it into the existing socket for the trailer hitch. Very simple, very clean, no problem. That said, I'd say I see more bikes on the back of cars with a plate just wired onto the bikes than the formal system. I recently saw a hitch mounted rack that had a photocopy of the vehicle's license plate attached to it. The photocopy appeared to have been laminated in plastic and was affixed to a rigid license plate bracket.
I don't know the legality of it, but it was a creative potential solution. Most states have a version of this law. Not usually vigorously enforced but can be, up to the officer. It can certainly be the legal basis for a traffic stop if the officer is looking for something else. Officers are assigned to traffic or crime enforcement details but can do either.
I would move your plate to one side of the bumper or the other so it's visible with the rack on, or move it onto the rack when the rack is mounted. This can be easily done with a lighted plate frame If Officers followed every traffic and auto related law to the "T" they would be pulling people over non-stop all day long.
If they pulled you over for the rack obscuring the plate, it's a valid reason to pull you over. Anyone can call it "nit picking", or say, "Don't they have better things to do? It could have been a slow day and he just felt like informing you that it was illegal hence the warning and no ticket. He could have been fishing, but even so, it would be a valid stop.
There are plenty of after market plate holders for racks and spare tire carriers. Some are even wired for lights. Oh to be a cop in the US. What do we expect from these guys. Sounds like he did his job in a polite and professional manner. Most of these guys are just hard working under paid decent folks, like elsewhere a few pricks spoils it for the rest.
I wouldn't want their job on a bet. Sounds to me like he is one of the good guys. And thanks to the OP for being polite as well so this ended like any professional transaction should. Very common in VA too. Been there damn near a year now. Got hisself a DUI, lost his license, etc. If it didn't have 22" wheels on it, I'da started asking him if he wanted to sell. If I had a buck for every license plate I see around here covered by a dark gray plastic "protector" that makes it impossible to read the plate, I could take everybody currently on the forum to dinner in a nice restaurant.
That's mostly MD plates, driving in Maryland. Don't see it much with VA plates. Marylanders you see who have plate covers must not live in MoCo. Police are pretty strict in our county as red light and speed camera's earn the county millions of dollars each year By the way, police track motor vehicle movement in NoVa too so I suspect more drivers in VA will want to cover plates too. Not really that hard is it? I'm hardly ever in MoCo. As far as "tracking the movements of citizens" -- I doubt it.
I'd be concerned about my EZ pass long before I'd worry about surveillance cameras tracking my license plates. Welcome to the new Soviet Union of America. I was stopped by a local sheriff a few weeks ago for having my plate obstructed by having the lower half of my Yakima rack in place. He was courteous and just wanted me to know it was not legal to have it obstruct the plate. We ended up talking for about 10 minutes and he told me he was just doing a good deed.
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Then tell me it is crazy people arm themselves and are concerned about the overreach of government. He could have been fishing, but even so, it would be a valid stop William Agree, and sometimes officers can easily find themselves in a moment with "nothing better to do". Not sure about what's going on in America, but down here unsolved hit and runs are now common enough, to have become a real option for many potential perpetrators. Don't have an account? Update your profile Let us wish you a happy birthday! Make sure to buy your groceries and daily needs Buy Now. Let us wish you a happy birthday!
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