There's adventure, and some very deep and emotionally intense stuff that happens. Karr isn't afraid to go places other people wouldn't. I rate it 4 stars because there are some pacing issues, but I think this was Karr's first novel, so that's not too surprising. And a lot of sword and sorcery books, I find, have similar pacing issues. It's a very feminist book, very focused on the women, their relationships with each other, and Frostflower's recovery from an extremely traumatic event is well-handled.
I was worried that wouldn't stand up to a re-read as an adult, but I loved it, and very much wish there were more.
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May 22, Brenda Clough rated it really liked it. A great fantasy novel, not one of your usual thud and blunder swordfests. Feb 05, Amethyst rated it did not like it Shelves: Rape and too much violence did not agree with me. May 20, Cissa rated it really liked it. The best part of this book is the world. Karr really thought it out- the social classes, the magical systems, the theologies, and the economics. It's basically a spin on feudal, but with the towns more independent. The prejudice against the sorcerers is rampant, partly because their theology differs from most most are polytheists; the sorcerers are monotheists , and because of their power.
The sorcerers are feared, even though they are utterly non-violent. ALL the soldiers are women; men are not seen as suited to that lifestyle So- the world is fascinating, and well-worth visiting. The characters are distinctly drawn, sometimes in an exaggerated way, espeically with the swordswomen.
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The plot hinges on choices various well-described characters make. I'm giving it a 4, though, because some of the violence, and the carefully described tortures, were shocking. OK, maybe that's a good thing Also, some of the action got repetitive. Escape from the pursuers kept going around in circles, and it felt stuck. Karr tried to raise the stakes each time, and did- but it still felt static to me. It's worth reading for the world, if you are prepared for the ugliness. The ugliness was not exactly gratuitous, but I'm not convinced so much of it was necesary, either.
This ISBN does not match the cover, publisher, or any other details listed here. The book I have with this ISBN has a yellow cover with a misty picture of some woods in the center, is published by Wildside Press, and is trade sized and pages. That said, the worst thing about the book so far, and the reason I wanted to be specific about the edition, is the publishing.
It looks like someone photocopied a paperback onto trade sized paper.
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Often you will find distorted text consistent with photoc This ISBN does not match the cover, publisher, or any other details listed here. Often you will find distorted text consistent with photocopying. The tale is a good one. There are some upsetting scenes of rape and torture, but I am not familiar enough with this genre to know how common that is. I borrowed the book from my husband. The book is quite good. I normally read romance and I found plenty to satisfy me here though it was far from the focus.
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If you can find a decent copy and not the painful to read version by Wildside Press that I stumbled on I would highly recommend it. Mar 23, Elizabeth Wallace rated it it was ok Shelves: I first read a short story about the characters Frostflower and Thorn "The Garnet and the Glory" almost 20 years ago, and loved it. I enjoyed the full book about them, but I think Phyllis Ann Karr does much better in the short story format. Being forced to move the story along quickly does wonders for the pacing, because in the book whole pages would go by while the character considered every possible step and every possible outcome Thorn is much more blunt in the longer format, and Frostflower WAY more naive.
Which is a piece of work, considering how naive she was in the short story. But both characters are likable, and it was fun, after all these years, to see how they met. Haven't figured if I'll read the next book, but I'm not sorry I read this one. Mar 24, Katherine rated it liked it Shelves: I think this may be out of print; I found it used and yellowing. The story provides a glimpse of a pretty neat world in which the sorcerers apparently occupy a sort of self-imposed lower class, and the warriors are rough, tough women.
The ladies are not to be messed with, but they still take a definite second place to the priests and the lords. Probably pretty groundbreaking I think this may be out of print; I found it used and yellowing.
Probably pretty groundbreaking when it was first written. As for the story, it gets three stars due to clumsy characterization and a too-predictable deus ex machina near the end.
Still, an enjoyable and riveting adventure tale. Dec 10, Althea Ann rated it really liked it. I know I've come across short stories by Phyllis Ann Karr before, but this was the first novel I'd read by her. An early entry into the sword-and-sorceresss genre, it's a tale about two very different women: Thorn, a foul-mouthed, sex-loving, polytheistic warrior - and Frostflower, a virginal, vegetarian, monotheistic sorceress.
With the topics of abortion and religion featuring significantly in the plot, I kept worrying that the story would veer into moralizing - but it gracefully steered clear I know I've come across short stories by Phyllis Ann Karr before, but this was the first novel I'd read by her.
With the topics of abortion and religion featuring significantly in the plot, I kept worrying that the story would veer into moralizing - but it gracefully steered clear, maintaining a respect for both women and their different points of view, while telling a fun and entertaining story. Jul 16, Robert rated it really liked it. The name fooled me: The fatuity of religious rites and dietary taboos, the cruelty that can be imposed by theocracies are only part of the picture.
What I found interesting was that, although this is largely a male-dominated world, almost all the characters and all the violent characters are female - a different wa The name fooled me: What I found interesting was that, although this is largely a male-dominated world, almost all the characters and all the violent characters are female - a different way of looking at things.
I'm not sure what it was I liked in this tale of doom in a rather gloomy world, but I found it hard to put down. Jan 27, Bridget rated it it was ok Shelves: I first read the sequel to this years and years ago, and it was a good quick read with really great worldbuilding. I saw this in a used bookshop the other day, so I picked it up to read the beginning of the story. It has the same lovely worldbuilding, but it was a good deal more violent than Frostflower and Windborn. And I just don't think I was really in the mood for this story right now.
Also, I completely love the dated cover featuring the warrior and sorceress. It's kind of the best part of t I first read the sequel to this years and years ago, and it was a good quick read with really great worldbuilding. It's kind of the best part of the book. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
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