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Yes, they would be great for that escape from real life, and some may take longer sessions than others, but real life would have to intervene at some point. Yes video games are fun, but they are exactly that, games, although some may take them more seriously than others. Don't get me wrong, I've been there, and if you had asked the question 5 years ago my answer would probably be different, but I have come to realise that doing something constructive in real life is far more rewarding than spending all my spare time locked in some virtual realm.
It's not dislike, so much as wanting to achieve something more than a virtual life.
There is so much out there in the real world, things to see and do, many of them if you could travel between stars that I would argue is more fantastical than anything the human mind can imagine. And of course you would need people in the real world, otherwise you would need to rely wholly on machines to do everything, not something I would think is a very good idea. Besides, humans for a while yet at least will excel machines at certain aspects, specifically the more creative aspects.
I mean, someone has to create these fantasy realms to visit, don't they? Posted 28 February - Edited by Raklian, 28 February - I don't think we will ever be able to change the laws of physics, except when it turns out they are wrong. Our best hope is to be able to harness those laws and use them.
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But this won't make us a god, not that I am religious but the concept of a god is an all-knowing, all-powerful entity, someone who is omnipresent which if I understand the definition is being able to see all things at once, but also being able to interpret everything they see. It's no use being able to see from a thousand different perspectives if they are isolated views. More than that, a god is something that is omniscient, and essentially would have built the laws of physics, but if you read around about the origins of the universe, although many questions are still unanswered, there was no divine force driving it, and therefore there are ultimately limits to what we can do.
We will only understand our world if we link our brains to computers and virtual reality will be one of the results of all that see years , and I tend to take the timeline predictions as a guide, not an absolute.
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For example Kurzweil's prediction of the singularity does not take into account and social or political aspects, it is all essentially based around his law of accelerating returns. Yes machines will become much more powerful, but they won't be human, they won't have the creative streak that defines us, and we may find that as we try to integrate with the machine world we start to lose our creativity. Then all of this travelling through fantastical realms will become meaningless to us because we have lost some of the human drive and sense of wonder that got us there.
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Look at us, two atheists discussing the concept of god Of course different beliefs and different cultures view the nature of god in a multitude of ways, but they are mostly all from the viewpoint in one form or another of a creator, a supreme being who is of a higher order than the mortals that worship it. So I stand by my point that we could never achieve the status of god in the eyes of most of the public, demi-god status however is infinitely more achievable As to the origins of the universe yes, that particular knowledge currently lies hidden behind the shroud of a singularity event that defies modern physics, and some day we may breach that line, but nobody knows what we will find behind it.
It's interesting that you question what happened before the universe formed, but of course we don't know if anything happened Posted 11 March - So I stand by my point that we could never achieve the status of god You don't think we or, rather, perhaps our strong AI proxies could ever create a simulation that serves as a working model of a universe - a universe in a bottle, which we might work outside of or perhaps interact with?
You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us, and the world will be as one. I can't seem to recall exactly who said something to this effect - it is more likely that we are already in a simulation. The probabilities favor this result. If we are able to create a simulation of a Universe at some point in the future, who is to say it hasn't been done before and we don't exist in one?
Boggles the mind, doesn't it? Hmm, some of us don't exactly proclaim openly that we are atheists in a sea of believers who would consider us ripe for cruxification or conversion, do we not? Well, I was exaggerating a little bit, but you can definitely tell the shift in their eyes, like looking upon a strange animal for the first time. Been there and done that.
Posted 12 March - I think you hit the nail on the head with this comment, I don't think we could as the human brain, even augmented, could not cope with the sensory input required to be all seeing and all knowing. We are not wired to allow that sort of input, we would need to alter our neurological structure so much we would no longer be human.
And I'm not convinced that even strong AI could be the all knowing and all seeing entity ascribed to what a deity is perceived to be. Posted 07 June - MarcusAurelius Member Members posts. Do you know with our exponential grown in Genetics, Nanotechnology and Robotics, we really haven't hit the technological ceiling yet on AI and probably won't for centuries to come. Have you ever heard of a Jupiter brain? These are some proposals for reaching truly godlike intelligence, albeit probably many centuries or millenia away http: Even with enormous computational power in the coming decades, will we really match reality?
To put things into perspective, for anything to reach anything approaching reality for it to call itself virtual and indistinguishable from our lives, we need to really understand the scales here. One good tool is this one here. It may be old news to some but its interesting in the way it tested for proof we aren't in some universe simulation too.
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This was done by testing the smallest unit of measurement in existence, the planck unit which is unimaginably small and infintesimal. If it exhibited some quantum fuzziness pixelation as it approached this scale it might suggest some holographic nature to the universe and indeed bring up so many other philosophical questions of course. Well I am no expert but here is the article. Alric Member Members 1, posts. I don't think you will be lonely because there will be people all over the place. Everything will be super connected and while you are doing stuff in virtual reality you will be interacting with others.
I think we will eventually drop the idea of 'real life' as some how being more real than the internet or virtual reality. Even today I can say some of my best friends are people I never met in person but met online, and those people and relationships are obviously no less real just because I never met them face to face.
Throw in virtual reality, so that you can actually meet them face to face in a simulated reality and the line is blurred even further. Edited by tornado64, 07 June - Yep, I recommend Otherland by Tad Williams as well. One of my favorites. But what is surprising is how this rich man created the VR world. I'll let you guys find out. Edited by Raklian, 07 June - Posted 12 June - I would like to address this threads original premise.
Will virtual reality end physical human relationships and social life. Although we can't really fathom the far reaching consequences of AI coupled with VR in coming decades. I think it will still be a huge destabilizing element. People are already becoming more reclusive with technology as is. Not to be the bearer of doom and gloom as I am primarily quite optimistic of change and the future but it will usher in an interesting era of further social change.
Its not particularly bad either. If expansive VR does take over by the next decade or so, I predict a few things happening The sex industry will either reap or suffer immensely.
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