John Cantius is a bit…opaque. I ordered a set through Fr. Do people do that? But he can afford it so if he does get it I am curious what happens. About ribbons, I read that the Carthusians have a custom of always tucking ribbon ends into their books when they finish using the book. I have done that for at least 10 years.
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It is actually great for multiple reasons as I carry my Liturgy of the Hours with me everywhere in a backpack pocket and it keeps the ribbons clean and out of the way of the zipper and other things. If you can get into the habit that does protect the ends of the ribbons!! Like Fr Ant I like the idea of having all the psalms.
I just heard a talk by Fr Chad Ripperger asserting if lay people pray Lauds and Vespers from the old breviary it is protective against the devil, he does not know why but he says this is so. That is pretty attractive! By the way I ordered a book one time from a Carthusian monastery, hand bound by them, that had a ribbon marker and it did come tucked in. What I do is tuck them all in on the long edge of the pages. Works fine for me.
If you tie knots in your ribbons you cannot do this. Yes, indeed many do, very possibly a majority. Though I suspect that many who start praying the traditional Divine Office all in English gradually transition to some combination of English and Latin. Just as most who begin following Latin Mass via the English column in their missal inevitably come to be familiar with at least the Ordinary the Gloria, Agnus Dei, etc. At first I was unable to find a suitable cover to fit the Baronius Breviary volumes. Then I chanced upon a sumptuous padded leather cover that fits it perfectly and also feels luxurious to the hand.
Of course you need only one cover to rotate through the year between the three breviary volumes. I was going to haul mine with me to Rome and check for something that would fit at my favorite bookstore, Leoniana. Alas, Leoniana has closed for good! A sad day for Romans. Hence, I was about to despair. Someone who might be a little enterprising could develop a little cottage industry for making good prayerbook covers.
This can be a great way to improve your Latin. After a while, the psalms become familiar through repetition. On a related note, learning the Rosary prayers in Latin is a good learning tool. I originally started with divinumofficium, with the prayers in the Latin and the Psalms in English but once I got this set, had twofold motivation I continued: Never really found a satisfactory place to pray Matins which takes me about 45 minutes in Latin — the Psalms are easy but the Lessons tended to drone on and without the asterisk pauses for pacing was more challenging to steal glances at the English.
I changed jobs and had to unfortunately drop the Little Hours as breaks were far less regular. What I noticed over the intervening years was how much better my Ecclesiastical Latin improved from daily recitation to where I can read pretty much read and understand the rubrics in the altar Missal especially handy in my which is quite a bit different from the Whatever the other changes, I regularly pray that Latin is required for clerics in the Liturgia Horarum, though agree with the late Laszlo Dobszay on the restoration of the full pre-Pius XII Roman Office as the ultimate goal, even if obligations should be varied, with the rest ad libitum for different categories of clerics parish priests vs Religious vs monastics, etc.
My Baronius Missal leatherette cover is splitting along the spine, but despite far more daily usage the Breviary is in great shape. A couple dog eared pages here and there despite my careful attention, some scuffs here and there to the gilding. I dipped the tips of the ribbons in a mixture of half Gorilla Glue and half Loctite vinyl fabric plastic adhesive which gave them a clearish tip and kept them from fraying.
That said, I have since decided to add commemoration of 1st Vespers for all feasts for a natural organic handoff of one day to the next, and commemorate all the old octaves, though I obey precedence to maintain my prayer with FSSP. I had this set for about a year and tried to make it work. So I sold my set to a seminarian. I use the Diurnale Romanum all Latin as best I can. Just know it takes dedication to tote it around. My sister in law and mother of 11 makes beautiful high quality missal and prayer book covers. They are all handmade and I know they could sure use some means of advertising and getting the word out about their product.
Would be happy to supply photos and more information on them. I have these from the first printing and feel nearly helpless trying to teach myself to use them properly. I think I figured out Compline. It can be complicated at first. You might start by using http: Soon you will get used to it. Also, there is a booklet out there that explains how to say the older office. Maybe a reader does. Enter Amazon through my link. Fr Z will get a small percentage of what you spend. Z's "catholic" search for Amazon: Nevertheless, we try to point our discussions back to what it is to be Catholic in this increasingly difficult age, to love God, and how to get to heaven.
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Bless you, bless you, Fathers! Our own pastor complained some months ago about the frighte From my admittedly peculiar perspective, this is as much a sign of a new spring as many other referenced signs. This is tempting- very tempting. I could fit it into my work day quite nicely. I could also swing it financially too now. My missal is my most used book. One of the things I love about the Liturgy of the Hours is the way it can fit into a busy schedule. I have switched and prayed EF Compline in the past during Lent, but I began missing some elements of the Liturgy of the Hours… sometimes I hate having to choose between 2 forms of the Roman Rite that I like equally!
I am on the waiting list. I think the price is reasonable. The one let down with Baronius is the ribbons: They are too narrow and too short to put knots in the end. A disappointment in an otherwise good publishing house. Someone at that site put together a program that generates an HTML page with the office for whatever day you specify, Latin and English. I did that for my Baronius Missal a couple of years ago and they are still like new. With the Baronius Missal and even the African edition of the Liturgy of the Hours , I had to cut out the ribbons and make my own.
They never give me enough ribbons anyway! Has this been approved by the appropriate authority Ecclesia Dei Commission? Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments? Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith? It was optional, but became a norm of sorts before Latin was basically chucked. Most probably all traditional groups use the Vulgate psalter.
Now, the Pius XII psalter is a historical footnote. I use the Pius XII psalter only because of economy i. It is easier to understand if your Latin is not very good, but that is about all it has going for it. I just got an e-mail from Baronius with a link to order a copy. Payment is by check only for the preorder. One is limited to ordering the number of copies one expressed interest in on the reservation form loh many years ago. I have 21 days to decide whether to buy. This last year I got a Kindle Touch.
This has been really handy in terms of not being distracted by trying to figure out which ribbon to flip to, which memorial or feast day this is, etc. After several years of practice I had this well rehearsed, but the confusing page flipping put off my wife from the LOTH. For the past several years I have almost only prayed the Office of Readings. I went to the Office of Readings for the more extensive scripture and early church fathers readings.
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The daily prayer practices of various groupings within the Catholic Church is something that still interests me. Personally, I like all the ribbons and flipping pages. That said, some versions are much easier than others to use, the more volumes the better. The four, three, or two volume Breviarium Romanum is much more user friendly than a totum like the Benzinger Roman Breviary. In trying to cram everything into one book, it cannot lay ordinary parts out in multiple places so as to save space. The Roman Breviary and the Liturgy of the Hours are completely and utterly different beasts in almost every way.
There are, obviously, some parallels in basic structure of an hour but they are pretty thin. Matins has more psalms the Breviary varies the of psalms for Matins, Lauds and Vespers , it varies in number of readings usually 3, sometimes 9 on big feast days , and the manner in which it is presented is vastly different. Basically, the Breviary is set up with recitation in choir or common in mind, chanted. Taft, SJ put it. It has no Liber Usualis the big chant book , no rubrics for the ceremonies that would go with solemn recitation as far as I know and the translation of the Liturgia Horarium LOTH at least for the U.
It has been said that the new Office of Readings is better because it has more readings from the Fathers. That ends up being a waste of space. However, the readings have, IMO, a much more relevant and pointed application with the Mass of the day and just in general.
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The LOTH readings rarely, if ever, really apply to the Mass of the day and they are usually of a more general Christological or eschatological push. The old readings have much more of a punch to them. The old readings follow a much more coherent pattern, year in year out and you end up reading through a good chunk of both OT and NT.
I have no idea what the LOTH plan is or if it even tries to sync with the 4 year lectionary cycle. I know any Office is tough to pick up, especially if you are on your own but I am an unapologetic proponent of the traditional Breviary. I had observed with my one volume LOTH that the morning and evening prayer readings only one for each hour tended to be short.
I had also seen that the LOTH did not seem to cover all the psalms, even in its 4 week cycle for all 7 hours per day. I was introduced to the single volume LOTH over 30 years ago, chanted. I lived in the basement room of a couple that prayed the office daily — he being a former seminarian and she of the convent, both discerning a calling to marriage before taking their vows.
A few years later the parish I attended had LOTH before morning mass and at 6PM — a practice recommended but one I have not observed to be available at most parishes. Neither had music for the hymns and I thought the hymn choices okay, but a bit on the modern side. I looked for a music volume to go along with LOTH and did not find one — and seeing your answer I now know why. I have also looked through the rule of St. Benedict and noted that he had all psalms in a week for monks following his order. Is the Collegeville edition out of print?
I will also look around for a version for Kindle, since I think that would be ideal for my circumstances. Is there anything like this for the Baronius press edition? For instance, at Lauds in Lent, the little chapter is from Is. The full-on readings or lessons are in Matins, the little chapters at the other hours are thematic snippets in a way. The traditional breviary books do not have notes in them either, but the Liber Usualis does have the chant tones.
The traditional Breviary ideally does in a week, but sometimes festal offices supplant some of them. Still, they are there at least. Three entire psalms are missing from the LOTH, along with a number of verses like 50 from other ones. My Benzinger is missing all its ribbons and the cover is now electrical tape. It seems that someone used it for quite some time after it was officially obsolete as that was the shape it was in when I found it. I want the new Baronius set because they are much nicer and will last and then I can finally retire my rough old breviaries. Once you get familiar with where everything is, you really do not need another book to tell you where things are.
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Only thing that can get confusing is the rank of the various liturgical days and how you are supposed to handle them when some of them fall together on the same day. This is where the Ordo comes into play, or you also just get used to how they rank, which ones have to be commemorated, etc.
For instance, the Lenten ferias are commemorated even if they are trumped while ferias in the times after Pentecost or Epiphany are not, etc. What a lot of comments! Just wanted to say two things. The divine office not the Liturgy of the Hours! I am using it during Lent altho I own a Collegeville set, quite old, because they do all the work! And I might as well pray at my computer, it has the most comfortable chair and best lighting. By the way, when I was searching for a set, the Baronius was taking names at that time for the waiting list!
I would like to say, to the person asserting that Matins is the same in the Liturgy of the Hours and the traditional divine office—so not!!!! Ambrose, and from the saints. As I remember from the Liturgy of the Hours, there is something from the Council every day, or almost every day. And the divine office has pieces from the saint on that feast day, many times if they were writers —something of St. Teresa of Avila on her feast day, Catherine of Siena on hers, etc.
And also they seem to have altered the psalms, or cut them, because it seems all the references to God coming with swords and shields against His enemies—all of that is gone in the Liturgy of the Hours. And not to mention any references to the perfidy of the Jewish nation in rejecting Christ that came up last week, I think St.
Ambrose—and so it should! They still reject Him! But the traditional divine office is —muscular. And may it fortell a change back to the traditional doctrine in all respects, please! We have been so very long in the wilderness. By the way, those apps mentioned—those are Liturgy of the Hours. If you are inspired by the Rule of St.
Benedict to pray a more traditional Psalter, this Monastic Diurnal is supposed to be good: I got my email and just mailed in my check, and I can hardly wait! Thank you, Father Z, for the photos. My big issues with the current LOTH may have been mentioned above, but I did not read every comment are the abysmal psalm translations, the watered-down intercessions, the lack of beauty, and the loss of the great homilies of the saints in favor of too much Council stuff.
I am not anti-Council and there are good things in many documents, but they just to me anyway are NOT material for prayerful meditation during the Office.
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I think the price is very reasonable for the quality and size, and what it cost Baronius to bring this out. As Father Z points out, if you use it for 20 years it is cents a day or about a buck fifty a month. Small sacrifice for infinite return! Despite the great convenience and very considerable cost saving of having access to that Breviary and many other earlier iterations via my iPad, I am still thinking about adding my name to the list of would-be Baronius Press Breviary owners.
Of course any attempt to compare the two forms of Breviary e-book or app and printed form would be like comparing apples and pears as they say — or perhaps a more apposite simile would be apples and pineapples no pun intended? However, have I noticed a typographical error in the last photo of the Breviary that you kindly displayed on your brief review or notice? Whatever, I hope and assume that the rest of the Breviary is as excellent a book as the rest of your images show and hope that we will not hear of any concerns such as were voiced about the Little Office to which I refer.
The main thing is that against all odds Baronius Press have managed to bring to fruition their marvellous Breviary project and they are to be sincerely thanked for that. Enter Amazon through my link. Fr Z will get a small percentage of what you spend. Z's "catholic" search for Amazon: Nevertheless, we try to point our discussions back to what it is to be Catholic in this increasingly difficult age, to love God, and how to get to heaven.
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Beautiful books, reminiscent of a better age of liturgical books. Contains Penitential Psalms and the Office for the Dead. English versions of hymns in the acclaimed translation of the Rev. Thirty engravings throughout, which have been selected from traditional liturgical books , carefully scanned, and re-mastered — correcting any defects in images where necessary. Extracts from the Rituale Romanum including the most commonly used litanies given in Latin with English rubrics in an Appendix. Thirteen Cards with commonly used prayers in Latin and English. All texts of the Cards also gathered in a handy booklet — in addition to being on the cards.
Booklet containing common texts and basic instructions for praying for the Day Hours of the Breviary. Both booklets are sized to conveniently fit at the back of each volume.
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